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Martha's avatar

This was an astonishing interview from a unique perspective. Just yesterday, I had to unfollow a friend from childhood who is a nurse practitioner who works with trans youth. Her most recent post on Facebook conflated disorders of sexual development with transgenderism. Stories like this give me the courage to speak up.

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Suzanne H's avatar

It's astonishing how people, including those with medical expertise, wilfully ignore the risks around supposed 'gender medical care'. This behaviour is appalling and there's no excuse for it. They should be struck off.

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Ray Nelson's avatar

James, thank you for your contribution to this incredibly important topic. Stella and Bret, thank you for providing James this platform to tell his story.

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

I listened to the whole episode, then immediately went back and listened to the whole thing a second time to make sure I'd heard everything accurately. I've been in this rabbit hole for 9 years and rarely learn anything new, but James Linehan's experience rearranges all the tectonic plates. I remember reading an essay he wrote titled "My Body Is A Puberty Blocker" several years ago -- which is saying something because not many articles linger that long in my consciousness! It was that memorable. Here James feels comfortable enough to speculate on the motives of the actors who wield all the power in this dark psychodrama. I don't doubt any of his suspicions. This is a devastatingly powerful recording. Well done, Stella, Bret and James.

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

The interview had a similar effect on me. Thanks for your comment

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Andrea's avatar

It’s like he puts words into the premonitions one has looking at trans youth. Infuses reasoning into the hunches.

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Anon's avatar

This is unbelievable. I can’t stress how important this is, that it has come to light. And I think James nails it when he says he can’t understand how we are walking away from knowledge. This has been known by endocrinologists. How on earth can NHS Uk even consider doing a puberty blocker trial after hearing this interview. James you will be in demand, get your schedule ready. Wow, just wow.

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Ollie Parks's avatar

This should be required reading for the people out there who pride themselves on being good trans allies and who think that trans kids grow in the cabbage patch or something.

There is a lot of ignorance among those people about gender medicine, much of it deliberate because they've been convinced by trans activists and one another that any material that doesn't say affirm! affirm! affirm! is transphobic and hateful.

As for the docility, it may soon become a celebrated and cherished characteristic of a subset of the so-called "trans community" if it isn't already.

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Shelagh Graham's avatar

Thank you James for a very moving piece. I am in the UK where the NHS have just suggested that they are going to restart giving puberty blockers to children in a study to determine effectiveness of this therapy. This is despite the numbers of children and young adults who have already taken puberty blockers but have not been followed up. More children with gender discomfort (or misguided parents/carers) are going to be subjected to the same horrific effects as a THERAPY as James went through as an unavoidable birth discrepancy. Shame, shame on them!

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Yvette N's avatar

Thank you, James Linehan, for sharing your story! I have an experience with this condition, too.

When I was 18, I dated a man who had Kallmann Syndrome, which is a subgroup of congenital hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. I met him shortly after his treatment in 1982, when he was 22. His treatment was free of charge because it was considered research.

He was indeed very immature for 22. His testosterone shots were every 3 weeks, so I witnessed how the new dose affected him and then his behavior as it was time for another dose. (He was best balanced at week 2!)

Though his doctor had experimented with the course of drugs to induce fertility prior to me knowing him, his doctor told him that when not actively on the treatment, he was absolutely sterile.

I did indeed become pregnant within a few months. My boyfriend couldn't answer my questions, so I called his doctor. I thought that unexpected fertility would be something they would want to follow, but his doctor not only couldn't tell me how the condition was inherited, but also was cold with me, insisting that his patient couldn't not have fathered a child. We separated early in the pregnancy, with his immature behavior being a major factor in my being over it.

As my son grew up, I couldn't know if he had inherited Kallmann Syndrome or if he did, to what extent. I just kept an eye out for loss of sense of smell, which is a common symptom, and puberty. He's now 40, is married, and has two of his own children.

My son's father married and later had 2 more children. I don't know if he repeated the treatment to induce fertility or if he maintained previous fertility. They think he's 2-4" taller than he would have been because his bones didn't cap off when they should have. At 64, he is doing well.

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

Thank you so much for sharing this. It’s fascinating to read but must have been pretty traumatic for you as a thing adult xx

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Yvette N's avatar

Thanks, but it really was ok. It made me tougher and more resourceful, for sure. The doctor's lack of interest surprised me and made me wonder what information James was given at the time, as he was treated not long after.

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Betony Morrison's avatar

This is the first episode I have listened to in your new venture Stella and it's amazing! Thank you to everyone for bringing this information to us. ❤️❤️ Your courage and tenacity are so inspirational.

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

Thanks xx

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ARR_G's avatar

A fascinating interview yet very disturbing. I couldn’t help thinking about Jazz Jennings. Through puberty blocking drugs, his brain has never matured. His parents relentlessly pursue a ‘normal’ female upbringing for him. His body may have somewhat feminised due to the interference but he will never be a ‘normal’ male or female. As WPATH have confirmed Jazz will never experience orgasm or normal sexual function. An inhumane experiment conducted on an innocent child. Jail would be too good for all those involved.

This also confirmed my thoughts on the ‘Trial’ of puberty blockers as a result of the Cass review. It is just not ethical to do this.

In the same way as it wouldn’t be acceptable/ethical to feed large doses of testosterone to pregnant women.

There would be uproar.

An ethical trial of any kind has to be conducted with full consent of the person. Unborn babies can’t consent and children can’t consent to NOT undergoing a natural puberty.

Therefore it is impossible to carry out a trial of puberty blockers!

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EyesOpen's avatar

Hearing what puberty blockers do to children should bother everyone. Taking away their sexual function and even perhaps the ability to fall in love and pair bond is cruel.

Then around the 58-minute mark on, I was really disturbed:

"The trans people that I've met who've gone through puberty blockers are notably docile, notably passive, and they don't kick off. It's really notable. I'm like, where's your anger? What have they done to you? And they don't seem to have their anger. They haven't found their anger...

Blocking puberty makes you very docile. Block puberty makes you vulnerable. It makes you prone to suggestion. You can manipulate them very easily. You can tell them things and they think it's coming from them. So that's why I think this is quite diabolical because if you block them, you can turn them into anything you want…if they actually are permanently blocked and they're effectively permanently an 11 year old and they're docile and they're passive and they haven't learned to have that anger or they haven't moved beyond the docile child, this idea that they're all going to be detransitioners is wrong. They're going to remain docile subjects of the trans church, effectively, because they have been created that way. They're essentially, part of their humanity has been just not there. It's been taken away from them. So somebody's going to have to speak up for them.”

Who is going to speak for these children? And what happened to humanity? What happened to ethical medical care?

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Betsy Warrior's avatar

Wow! This episode and the one with Carol Hooven have really been informative. Despite being an avid biology buff I learned a lot from James Linehan's explanation of how his biological condition manifests; the crucial role of timing and the critically timed role of the pituitary. Thanks James! In regard to Carol Hooven, I was so gratified to hear that she was not backing down from her defense of her research on the far-reaching effects of testosterone. That takes guts in the present climate. I had long-ago reached similar conclusions about the effects of testosterone on human aggression, war, sexual abuse, competitiveness, and monomanias like greed. I began to feel sorry for male teens being overwhelmed by a flood of testosterone creating a sex drive that challenged their ability to control their thoughts, and sometimes, their actions. I give credit to the men who develop the emotional capacity to do so. As humans, we do have the ability to control our behavior in usual circumstances, if we make the necessary effort.

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The Modern Mystic's avatar

God Bless You

Governor Kelly of Kansas vetoed the DO NO HARM bill for to protect children from gender so called medical therapy. It was her first veto of the year. I wrote an article about it on substack

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Anon's avatar

Doesn’t his testimony kind of prove also, that providing cross sex hormones are little more than an indulgence? The best they can do, is initiate physical bodily changes, that sounds totally cosmetic to me. And taking them is at odds with your brain. That sounds pretty damaging? What a mess…

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Alice In Wonderland's avatar

Eye-opening doesn't begin to describe the impact of this podcast. This man with a rare Disorder of Sexual Development (DSD) has given us a rare insight in what it means to have your natural puberty blocked. The consequences can be devastating physically, mentally, and emotionally.

He was treated by ethical endocrinologists who gave him a chemically induced puberty, and he reflects with great self-awareness of the lifelong impacts of this path. The physical harms may continue to unfold over decades. Consider the harm and societal cost we must bear from this uncontrolled experiment with children's bodies.

How can we imagine what happens to children who are robbed of a natural puberty and injected with cross-sex hormones that do not match the needs of their biological sex? Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is prophetic indeed.

This podcast goes a long way to explaining Jazz Jennings and the suggestibility and emotional and cognitive immaturity he suffers.

James Lingam's comments about autogynephiles and doctors who fetishize eunuchs gave me the chills. Maybe the MDs who lead us down the trans path have darker more disturbed motivations than we might have imagined. I could see the shock on Stella O'Malleys face and she is steeped in this subject matter.

Any legislator asked to vote on any laws involving transgender issues should be required to listen to this podcast. It will change hearts and minds.

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Andrea's avatar

As they are going to make trial experiments about puberty blockers, these are the variables they should look into. Not wether it’s helpful for their gender dysphoria. But all these psychosocial aspects. Why don’t Genspect with some detransitioners and Linehans help and maybe some serious endocrinologists and also maybe neurologists, and compose some really good objectives for the study? To study the mechanisms in detail. It would be marvellous. If they are going to make a study this ethically discussable, at least get some results that discuss the overall health of these kids.

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Daniel Howard James's avatar

The final question to James about a book relating to a child's body in an adult world: I would nominate The Tin Drum by Günter Grass (1959), also made into a film (1979).

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

Thank you! I’ll check it out

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Daniel Howard James's avatar

It's very dark, but generally agreed to be an important work. The movie is definitely not suitable for children to watch, probably not for sensitive teenagers either.

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