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This is a great summing up and catch up for me thanks Stella. Genspect with your important influence has been exactly what was needed where in 2019 the emerging UK parents groups were in-fighting about what to do and personality clashing in our traumas.

Genspect is the good that will necessarily come of our personal family dramas, with some of our daughters and sons (including mine) irreversibly capitulating to the tidal wave of stupid medicalised gender zeitgeist social contagion. Only time will tell what the fall-out will be from all that - my vision is of returning soldiers from the frontline with bandaged heads, missing limbs, crutches and wheelchairs, hating their generals who ordered them to rush the barricades whilst sipping their port in the tent at the back of the field.

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

Thank you, I'm saddened to say that I have heard parents describe something similar to your evocative image before. It is heart-rending. All we can do is keep ourselves together in some way together as we push for the truth to get out. I watched Mr Bates vs the Post Office and found it reminiscent of what is happening with gender. I hope 2024 goes well for you.

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Ann's avatar

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for all you (and all your associates) are doing. 💕💕

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Stella O'Malley's avatar

And thank you for your kind words, they mean a lot xx

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Elizabeth's avatar

Deep thanks, Stella. Really.

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Steersman's avatar

More power to you; may your tribe increase! 👍🙂

However ..., while I wish you well -- and have even thrown a few shekels into the pot to help out 🙂 -- I still think, as you and I have discussed elsewhere, that the problematic conflation of sex and gender constitutes a serious stumbling block, and an unnecessarily fractious bone of contention that may well vitiate your best efforts.

Apropos of which and ICYMI, the "Santa Fe Boys" group had a conference in late September that was ostensibly to resolve that problem, and which was touted as:

SantaFeBoys: "The Big Conversation ... among international experts (?) on the origins, mechanisms, and meaning of sex/gender differences".

I had hoped, many people had hoped -- all being somewhat disappointed -- that it might come to a consensus as to what "sex" and "gender" actually referred to and denoted. The closest they came to that was the closing "Roundtable 2 Discussion" -- which is still somewhat illuminating:

https://santafeboys.org/recordings-of-the-big-conversation/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRW_II_-iFY&t=758s

But of particular note in that discussion is an exchange or two -- at about the 15 minute mark -- between Carole Hooven, David Geary, and Daphna Joel, the salient point being made by Geary:

Geary (@ 15:56): "I have no idea what 'gender' means. The definition is too fluid. I mean it's all over the place. .... I have no idea what one author means by [gender] versus another. ...."

A dog's breakfast, a bedlam, everyone riding madly off in all directions -- as a famous Canadian humourist, Stephen Leacock, once put it. 🙂

Consequently -- and given the vast amount of ink that has been been spilled, rather unproductively, trying to get to the bottom of that dichotomy -- you may have some interest in some "pictures worth several thousands of words" that hopefully illustrate that difference:

https://humanuseofhumanbeings.substack.com/p/a-multi-dimensional-gender-spectrum

Of particular note there are some references to and discussions of an article co-authored by Joel and Janet Shibley Hyde, of the University of Wisconsin, which gives some justification for viewing gender as a multidimensional spectrum -- at least a two-dimensional spectrum -- of sexually dimorphic personalities, behaviours, roles, and expressions.

May help to get (most) everyone singing from the same hymn book, if not the same page; to bring some "balance to the forces", so to speak ... 🙂

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